tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post5123974821656389328..comments2008-02-07T11:02:44.430-05:00Chris Otthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17428402219364828451noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-15845747131499956512008-02-07T08:58:00.000-05:002008-02-07T08:58:00.000-05:00And I'd respect the ACLU for noticing that there's more in the Bill of Rights then just the First and Fifth Amendments. It'd also be nice if the ACLU refrained from deliberately and consistently misrepresenting the Establishment Clause.allennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-12115778399306136652008-02-06T13:40:00.000-05:002008-02-06T13:40:00.000-05:00I'd respect the Mass. ACLU a lot more if they hadn't included in their press release an extremely tendentious account of the Carter incident at Brandeis. In brief, Carter demanded almost $100K in expenses to speak at Brandeis. Brandeis responded that if we're going to spend that much, we don't want this to be part of your book tour, but an academic event, i.e., a debate. Carter refused to debate. Brandeis said, then don't expect us to put up so much money. Where's the violation of free speech? Is Brandeis required by free speech principles to pay the equivalent of a junior professor's annual salary to have Carter speak for an hour to promote his book? Brandeis at all times made it clear that if whoever invited Carter raised the money, they were free to have him under whatever terms they wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-62553884656620337462008-02-06T13:29:00.000-05:002008-02-06T13:29:00.000-05:00Come on folks. Credit where credit is due.<BR/><BR/>This Wingnut thanks the ACLU for standing with the Prof.Gordonwww.sixmeatbuffet.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-70686839736286221452008-02-06T13:19:00.000-05:002008-02-06T13:19:00.000-05:00"The ACLU does defend conservative speakers. Just to name a couple examples, we've defended the antigay Westboro Baptist Church, and we've even defended the free speech rights of Nazis"<BR/><BR/>Wow. <BR/><BR/>Are all ACLUers lefty demogogues or just the author of that gem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-49846616114376369462008-02-06T12:09:00.000-05:002008-02-06T12:09:00.000-05:00"The ACLU does defend conservative speakers. Just to name a couple examples, we've defended the antigay Westboro Baptist Church, and we've even defended the free speech rights of Nazis"<BR/><BR/>some definition of "conservative"...<BR/><BR/>defending nazis- there's something to crow about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-31284027727999899042008-02-06T12:03:00.000-05:002008-02-06T12:03:00.000-05:00How long has the ACLU been touting that "we even defend nazis" meme? For Pete's sake, Skokie was 30 years ago. I would be a lot more impressed if the ACLU could point to cases of more recent vintage in which it stood for the rights of mainstream conservatives and cases of non-PC universtiy speech, not cartoon characters like the Skokie Nazis. If the ACLU were doing their job, we wouldn't need organizations like FIRE, who do the task the ACLU pretends to do.Wally Ballounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-88450917900883146902008-02-06T11:15:00.000-05:002008-02-06T11:15:00.000-05:00ButofCourse, we *must* identify RightThink. Anyone who does not practice RightThink (as demonstrated by practicing RightSpeak) is, by definition a conservative.Davehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07509568525555189690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-47909709837261235052008-02-06T10:59:00.000-05:002008-02-06T10:59:00.000-05:00Wow! way to lump the Nazis and the crazies from Westboro church as "conservatives"!!!<BR/><BR/>No bias hereAJDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-15817040792733826092008-02-06T10:43:00.000-05:002008-02-06T10:43:00.000-05:00Good point.<BR/><BR/>Mine was that the ACLU doesn't only defend liberal viewpoints, as the first comment suggested, or viewpoints that we like or agree with.Chris Otthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17428402219364828451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-17952431957951720922008-02-06T10:33:00.000-05:002008-02-06T10:33:00.000-05:00Chris Ott Said: "The ACLU does defend conservative speakers. Just to name a couple examples, we've defended the antigay Westboro Baptist Church, and we've even defended the free speech rights of Nazis:" Is is indicative of liberal thinking that Mr. Ott thinks these tow organizations are representative of conservative speakers. If you want to see conservatives look at the folks across the street who are conterprotesting the reprehensible folks from Westboro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-4524730204165268302008-02-06T10:25:00.000-05:002008-02-06T10:25:00.000-05:00Of course, racists and bigots are by definition conservative. Or was that post meant as sarcasm?But of Course!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-54236071849579700502008-02-06T10:11:00.000-05:002008-02-06T10:11:00.000-05:00The ACLU does defend conservative speakers. Just to name a couple examples, we've defended the antigay Westboro Baptist Church, and we've even defended the free speech rights of Nazis:<BR/><BR/>http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/33239prs20071206.html<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_SkokieChris Otthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17428402219364828451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-63106922604194527942008-02-06T09:55:00.000-05:002008-02-06T09:55:00.000-05:00A bit late, but welcome to the party.Darrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72430895370047121.post-68731616769636020802008-02-06T07:50:00.000-05:002008-02-06T07:50:00.000-05:00what is the big deal here? This has been standard operating procedure for Universities for years. Does it bother you because these incidents shut down liberal issues and speakers? These incidents are minor especially when you compare it to the incidetns against conservatives that have taken place over the years. You people amaze me, you alowed the facist to grow in strength for years, and now your surprised because it is being turned against you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com